wang's -- misdoings. host: natalie says the best way to secede is for a sympathetic governments and individuals to stop complying with directives from d.c. dictators. would you go along with that? hello? professor rothstein, your reaction. guest: and natalie, natalie's talking about a notification which is closely allied to secession. he refused to follow the federal law but used a part of the union. the constitution forbids that. there is a supremacy clause that says a federal law has to be followed, it is supreme. that would be punishable. i do not think it is possible to stay in the union and have nullification. abraham lincoln argued from the supremacy clause that there can be no secession because federal law is supreme. there are some flaws with that argument. i saw the new abraham lincoln movie. it is absolutely terrific. but it does show you that he bent the law very much in order to get, accomplish the vision he had. every once in awhile and history somebody comes along with that kind of vision. a